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Tuesday, October 27, 2020

The Marceau Contest

It has been two years since I first issued a challenge to Science, whoever she is.  There are thousands and thousands of eye-witness accounts of UFOs.  The US Navy has even released some UFO videos.  In many of these stories the aircraft involved is able to float effortlessly without any visible means of propulsion.  They are somehow able to repel gravity.  How do they do that?  

I have some ideas.  Bear in mind I am not a scientist and I do not suppose that my ideas have any basis in science.  They are merely ideas, hypotheses, and I would be just as happy if someone disproved them as if someone actually proved them - at least then we are narrowing down the options.

Attract Gravity,
Attract Gravity
Source: Khan Academy

I have proposed that perhaps when we are visited by aircraft from other planets their means of floating is not actually repelling Earth's gravity but rather locking on to some other, stronger gravitational pull.  Perhaps it is our sun or the sun in the solar system the aircraft comes from.  Maybe it is our moon.  Since that other source of gravity is far away, it is relatively weaker than Earth's gravity so we are not affected by it.  But a star's gravity is still absolutely stronger than Earth's.

With humanity's understanding of physics it is science fiction to suggest we can lock onto a distant star's gravitational pull and allow ourselves to get sucked into it.  But then, hand-held communicators/computers were science fiction in the 1960's and fifty years later everyone carries one around in their pocket.

Hand-held Communicator

The challenge I issued to Ms. Science was for someone, some brilliant physicist, to prove my hypothesis.  I would like someone to take up the cause and prove it is possible to lock on to a source of gravity that is absolutely stronger than Earth's gravity but which is so far away that is is relatively weaker and then to use that gravity to attract an object.  This is what I call The Marceau Contest.

When I first issued this challenge I offered the winner a grand prize of one dollar.  You could say it was a gentleman's bet, of sorts.  Second prize was an Archway Molasses Cookie.  A year later no one had won.  I cannot imagine why.  This should be an easy academic exercise and there is a whole dollar in it for the winner, or maybe even a cookie.  I upped the ante in Year 2 with a whole box of Ring Dings.  I concede that not everyone likes molasses cookies but who does not like Ring Dings?  They are fully of saturated fat and high-fructose corn syrup, also known as "flavor."  Plus, in these days of COVID, a box of individually wrapped Ring Dings is probably more attractive than one cookie from an open package.  I get it.

Still, two years after issuing this challenge no one has made a bit of headway on proving this concept.  Neither has anyone attempted to disprove it.  So once again, I will up the ante.  If a dollar or a box of treats is not enough, perhaps this time I need to think bigger.  If someone can prove my concept I will get The Beatles to reunite for a live concert.  This would be an incredible feat since I do not know any of the Beatles and I am pretty sure Ringo hates everyone.  I am joking of course.  Paul and Ringo are good friends.  Getting John and George to join will be a greater challenge, though, for obvious reasons.

As a sort of side bet in The Marceau Contest I have also proposed that light may have components similar to DNA.  I came to this realization when I thought about the light that was emitted from the spaceship I saw.  The three horizontal lights that wrapped around the front of the aircraft were intensely bright but they did not shine.  They were so bright that Mike, the other witness, thought he was looking at a flare from his vantage point.  Yet, they did not seem to illuminate anything in front of them.  (The artist's rendition below shows them shining like headlights but they actually did not.)  It was as if they were five-sided cubes of light.  I know that sounds illogical but it is what I saw with my own eyes.

DNA of Light

Somehow, whoever built that aircraft was able to manipulate light in a way we humans do not understand.  Perhaps the basis of this ability is the same foundation which allows them to get from there to here (wherever there is) in a reasonable amount of time.

If someone can identify the "DNA of Light" and map it there is a whole package of molasses cookies in it for you.  In addition, I will now sweeten the pot by getting Nirvana to reunite for a live show.

Better yet, what if Nirvana and The Beatles joined up and jammed together?  Here you go:

Video - Sir Paul Jams with Grohl & Novoselic

Back to reality, obviously I will never get The Beatles or Nirvana to reunite due to the permanent absence of some key members of each band.  But despite the light-hearted nature of this article I am serious about these Gravity Attraction and DNA of Light concepts.  I do not have much to offer.  I can make you a pizza from scratch, maybe.   You can choose the toppings.  Lue Elizondo likes to make pizza.  Maybe I can talk him into joining if it is an accomplishment this monumental.  I might have to sell him my motorcycle to get that to happen, though.  He really likes that bike.

So there are two ways to win The Marceau Contest.  Prove (or disprove) one of these two hypotheses.  Aliens can get to Earth in a reasonable amount of time because: 

  1. They lock-on to and attract far-away sources of gravity
  2. They have discovered a "DNA" of light, decoded it and mapped it

The winner gets a dollar, a box of Ring Dings, and a homemade pizza.  Also, you would probably win the Nobel Prize for Science but I have no control over that.

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Thank you for reading and keep an eye on the sky.

Wednesday, October 21, 2020

How Would we Trade with Aliens?

I run a small business.  After three years of this I realized the business had grown beyond my abilities to manage it.  It was time to get an MBA.  I enrolled in The University of Connecticut's Executive MBA program.  It was great.  I was an enthusiastic learner.  I had a lot riding on the outcome.  I completed my graduate degree near the top of my class.

Much of the credit goes to luck of the draw with an outstanding cohort of fellow students.  We shared work, leaning on each other's existing professional competencies.  We also shared many drinks, laughs, and a class trip to South Africa.  My team was awesome!  Much additional credit goes to some outstanding professors.  They were not all winners but nearly all of them were a real credit to their profession, people who could teach at more prestigious universities if they wanted but for whatever reason had found a home at UConn.

One professor who stood out amongst this elite cadre was Dr. John Glascock.  He teaches Economics.  Students appreciated his deep knowledge of Economics and its relationship to our everyday lives.  Moreso, we loved his energy and delivery.  He was not your typical professor by any means.  He had style, not from a fashion sense, but in the way he conveyed somewhat mundane content in a manner that made it interesting.  My class voted him our favorite professor.  Other professors looked askance and grumbled as he accepted his award at our graduation ceremony.

How Would we Trade with Aliens?
Dr. John Glascock, Professor of Economics

As I sat at my desk preparing this blog post about trading with aliens a few weeks ago I thought I should reach out to an expert on Economics.  Even though this blog is my philosophy, I want to back up my hypotheses with facts, valid sources, and expert testimony whenever possible.  I want to bridge conjecture and reality.  Maybe, one source will even prove me wrong or at least give me some ideas I had not yet thought of.  I decided to use my professional network to find such a person.

The first step in finding an expert in a certain profession is to check LinkedIn.  I have many thousands of contacts on LinkedIn.  I quickly located a few folks who looked like they would be able to weigh in with credibility.  After telling each one that I write a blog about Alien Philosophy, one did not respond, one declined, and the third referred me to someone who would be "a better fit" with "the right kind of experience."  Uh-huh...  That guy declined too.  It was like I have said in previous articles, most people in Academia lack the courage, or perhaps the imagination, to pontificate on the subject of life elsewhere in the Universe.

I pushed my wheelie chair back from my desk, leaned back, and interlaced my fingers behind my head.  I stared at the sky through the big picture window in front of me.  I thought and I thought and I thought.  That window has a crack in it, I thought.  I should get that fixed.  Maybe I should wash it too before it gets too cold out.

Then I thought, what Economist would be brave enough to have an intellectual conversation with me about aliens?  With whom could I broach this subject without derision?  Oh, I know, Ben Stein!  But I do not actually know Ben Stein or how to contact him.  Scratch that.  Oh!  Why did I not think of this before?  John Glascock!

How Would we Trade with Aliens?

Contact with aliens could happen at any moment.  Or it could never happen.  I was a boy scout.  I like to Be Prepared.  When the pandemic hit and everyone was scrambling to acquire toilet paper, Clorox Wipes, hand sanitizer, N95 facemasks, latex gloves, and canned goods, I had all of that.  I had had it for years.  Just before Lockdown I went out for bread, milk, and bananas, and that was it.  I did not know I would need all that stuff for something that would come to be called COVID-19.  I just knew I might possibly need it someday.

I have a plan for what to do in case there is a fire in my house.  I practice the plan with my kids.  I yell, "Fire!  Fire!  Fire!" and they all crouch down and head to the nearest safe exit.  I have a plan for tornados - we go to the Zombie Apocalypse Shelter.  I have a plan for a home invasion.  Watch out!  We are ready for anything. 

When alien contact occurs I want to be prepared for that too.  I want to have a plan in place - not for if they were to show up at the house.  I do not know what I would do then.  Maybe I would serve coffee - the good kind.  And I would put out those hand towels my wife never lets me use and the soap that looks like little rosebuds.  But what I am really talking about is a plan for interacting with aliens on a societal level.  As a businessman, I want to establish trade relations with them.  Is that not the first step?

Throughout history, traders have often been the first people to establish relations with other civilizations.  Think Marco Polo, the British East India Company, Dutch West India Company, French fur trappers, pirates.  The United States was founded on Jeffersonian principals of free trade amongst the states and with other countries.  We fought America's first foreign war over free trade.  Traders may be the first alien explorers to reach out to humans.

If we establish trade relations with aliens we will need to establish a means of exchange, a currency or a barter plan.  I have actually taught a college course on Money and Banking so I know a little bit about this myself.  Barter is great when you have only two or three products or services to trade.  It breaks down when multiple products are introduced because the permutations grow exponentially as you add products.  Currency (or money) is better for large-scale trade.  Currency does not have to be paper money or even gold.  It just needs to be something that is considered valuable by each interested party, is not easily reproduced, and is in limited supply.  The best example of non-monetary currency is cigarettes in prisons.

I did not want to simply cite myself for this article.  Despite better than average knowledge of this subject it is not something I have done deep analysis on.  I do not practice Economics.  Dr. John Glascock does.

I spoke with Dr. Glascock via video conference in September 2020.  I began the conversation by establishing my history with Unidentified and this blog and then I just threw it out there.  I asked John, "If we were to make Contact, how would we establish trade relations with them?"  

John sat back.  He said, "Mmm, OK."  He pushed at the inside of his cheek with his tongue in an effort to hold for dear life.  He cocked his head to one side to listen more carefully.

He did not try to end the conversation so I continued, "We don't have a common currency.  Maybe they have gold?"  I shrugged my shoulders, "Maybe they have something else we could use as a currency?"  John was still with me, nodding, taking it all in.  I looked up to think.  "What I'd like to do is, use examples, historic examples, of you know, how do we trade with third-world nations or, " I swallowed hard, "Maybe Communist countries or places that lack hard currency or much currency but maybe have some natural resources, maybe have something else that we can use as a currency or as a mechanism for trade."

Interplanetary Trade
You want to talk about Aliens???

Clearly, from the picture above, I had gone to the right guy.  Dr. Glascock let me know that while this area of Economics was not his specialty it was part of the foundation of Economics which all Economists share.  He could respond with authority.  "In our world there would be two reasons to trade.  One is, [third-world countries] want some advanced technology.  Maybe they wanted a steel plow, back in England's day, and we wanted cheaper wheat, which they were making, or potatoes.  So they would trade us a lot of potatoes and we'd trade them the steel plow."

Dr. Glascock offers an exception where the US buys oil from OPEC countries with cash but generally the deal is the advanced country will trade technologically superior products for cheap commodities.  So far, we are in lock step, moving towards a parallel with Earth being the third-world country and any alien civilization being the more advanced country.

"The second trade," he goes on, "Governments want information about the other country.  We want to trade enough with Russia or China or ever who it is, so that we collect information."  He gives examples of working with wealthy business people to help them make money and in the process we ask them to reveal what they know about the goings-on of their country.  This is not necessarily secret information but still intelligence that benefits our country.  Giving products or technology to the people of the other country creates a relationship which enables us to get what we want, information.  Other countries, no doubt, do this to us and everyone else too, if they can.

Given these two reasons for a country like the US to trade with say Vietnam, John then moves on to how this might work with Earth and another planet.  "It's not likely to be commodities in the normal sense."  He says our would-be trading partners are so far away, "They have to have technologies that can kind of bend the space-time continuum in order to get here."  

I have said many times in this blog, "If they can get from there to here (wherever there is) they can..."  Then I will give examples of what a highly advanced civilization might be able to do.  

Dr. Glascock has this same understanding.  If they can perhaps warp space, allowing them to get here in a reasonable amount of time, "They have technology that I suspect allows them to make any kind of commodity they want."  OK, I did not see that coming, John.  At this point the premise of my article is beginning to come off the rails.  But I am intrigued.  I want to hear more.

David Marceau Thinking
Me thinking, how do I phrase this?  Um... Aliens!

John thinks we Earthans may get to that point too within 200-1000 years, depending on how much money government is willing to put into this, "To help us crack some of the things."  If we can print products using 3D printers, we can print food or anything else - not today, but soon.  "It's kind of like they do in Star Trek, you know, they used to have that little place you went, and pushed a couple buttons, and you got your meal.  Now, that's coming."  

If a visiting civilization is already at that point, Dr. Glascock says, "I suspect no normal commodity is tradable.  So most likely what they would want is they're observing us to see our behavior so they could understand us like we would like to do to Russia or China."

It is then revealed that John has read quite a bit of science fiction, especially Isaac Asimov's writings.  He has based his economic views of interplanetary trade on the suppositions of Asimov.  "I love good science fiction, it's just one of my hobbies."  He says, if they can get from there to here, "It's unlikely they want to trade with us."  In other words, "No one who can get to us wants to trade with us."

I was surprised to hear this because I have assumed that perhaps there is a dying planet out there somewhere and they want our water.  Then you have the old Twilight Zone episode, To Serve Man, where the aliens want to herd us off to their planet so they can eat us.  This was the premise of the miniseries V, as well.  You could even look at the absurdist comedy Space Balls where one planet wants to steal the other planet's air.  These are all a part of my foundation of what alien contact might bring.

V for Victory
Remember V?

Dr. Glascock is an academic.  He reads books - lots of them.  His foundation on alien Contact is different from mine.  He says, "Now they do want to observe us because we are a damned good experiment to observe 'cause we're likely not as advanced as them but we likely evolved different than they did.  And they want to study us the way we would study monkeys in Africa.  What they would try to do is do it without intervening, though, because that," he chuckles, "Messes up the project, right?  If they let you know too much that they're there we might change our behavior."

Video - Economist Dr. John Glascock on Interplanetary Trade

I am not saying I agree with my friend John, but let us say his assertion is true.  That answers one question for many people on #UFOTwitter while opening up a new one.  The question it answers is the one I have posed on this blog many times, Why are They hiding from us?  I have asked this so many times I decided to name the question The Marceau Paradox * word *.  Perhaps the reason they, aliens, do not want to be detected is because they simply want to watch us go about our lives, reliving their days of antiquity, so they can sit back and say, "Aw, that's adorable."  This would be a validation of the popular Zoo Hypothesis.

The question this now opens up relates to quantum physics.  Often times when physicists observe something new, when they try to replicate their findings the subject of the experiment decides not to respond in the same way.  I call this The Morrissey Effect.  I named it after the singer who is reputed to have sold out many shows and then gotten stage fright and decided not to go out and perform.  Is there some consciousness within quantum physics that we are disturbing in our observations?  I am not saying I believe this, I am simply posing the question.

The Morrissey Effect
Morrissey fans waiting...

At this point in the conversation I bring it back around to my initial premise.  I say to Dr. Glascock, "Maybe [aliens] would be interested in some natural resources?"  I shrug my shoulders and push out my bottom lip, "Maybe they need labor?"  Maybe aliens would not want to trade with us.  But maybe I would never need a P95 facemask and then Bam!  COVID-19 hits us and thank God I had a respirator sealed up in its original packaging down in my Zombie Apocalypse Shelter.  Regardless of the likelihood of trade taking place, if it did, how would we do it?

I ask Dr. Glascock, "If there was something we could provide, what would we provide in exchange?  I mean, clearly, they have technology that we want.  And they could just simply give us something that is 20 years ahead of our technology, we'd be thrilled with it."  Think about traveling back the early 1990's and trading someone a smartphone for their monochrome desktop pc with 512kb of memory and dual floppy drives.  They would be doing backflips.  Hopefully they would not try to trade you front-row tickets to a Morrissey show instead.  Or maybe he was still with The Smiths at the time.  They were cool.  I can think of quite a few other bands I would like to see if I could go back, like maybe Nirvana or this guy.

I went on, "Meanwhile, they may be a million years ahead.  We don't know."

John begins his response talking about Faster-than-light (FTL) travel.  He expounds on the unfolding of space which is happening faster than the speed of light and how one would have to travel in a sort of pocket that would protect the body from inertial forces in order to get from there to here.  Man, I really did pick the right economist!  Then he brings it back around with, "The problem for trade becomes, if I'm that clever, I can manipulate everything.  I can make everything in the Universe.  I could make gold, silver, I could make food, I could make energy, it's just a matter of transferring energy to matter, matter to energy."  

Now Dr. Glascock addresses my question head-on.  "I suspect if we're that clever, machines do all the basic work.  All the people do (let's call them what they are) is there's kind of a thinking or control process that they run.  So they've gotten to the point where the way we think of constraints of labor, resources, simply doesn't exist.  And it's really unlikely that it will if you can move through space at that time."  John tells me to think about the knowledge it would take to move at FTL.  "The answer is you've solved these elementary problems."  The implication about all our knowledge at that point is, "We're gonna be pretty damned smart."

Video - Why Aliens would not trade with Humans

Again the answer is, "I don't think there's a way to trade 'cause I think they're just gonna observe us like us observing an ant."  He laughs, "We're gonna be the ant and they're gonna be the humans.  And we don't trade with ants."

Wait, what?  Did you say We are like Ants to Them?  I already wrote that story, Jonny.  

We are like Ants to Them
We are like Ants to Them

But still, are you saying that once a society reaches a certain level of technology there is nothing here on Earth that they would want?  He says yes, other than as an intellectual understanding how some other part of the Universe evolved.  "So let's roll forward with that," I say.  "People on Planet X have reached that level.  In a relatively short distance from them people on Planet Y could have also reached that point.  Neither one of those planets would have the need to trade with each other, correct?"

Dr. Glascock thinks, "At that point they would be really independent of each other.  The only trade that might occur at that level is there still may be some phenomenon in the Universe that they haven't figured out so they may want to cooperate to understand that last... they may want to try to figure that out but it won't likely be at the commodity level."

Back to Earth, Dr. Glascock says, "Even today, for example, how many tribes in Africa does the United States trade with?  Or the Aborigines in Australia?  Do you ever notice us thinking about trading with those two groups?  We won't because there's nothing they can offer us."

I suggested maybe some kind of craftwork.  I bought some when my grad school class went to South Africa.  It hangs on the wall of my office.  I lugged that stupid mask from Johannesburg to Cape Town and back and then back to New York.  It sucked.  But now I am glad I did.

African Art
African Art

John was kind enough to indulge me on this, "You could maybe think about it from an artistic point of view," but a society that comes here may be so much more advanced than us that they do not find our art to be art.  We are likely closer to the Aborigines than we are to aliens which is why we find value in their art.

It sounded like John may have been under the impression that all aliens are from the same place.  I offered that with all the thousands of eye-witness accounts of different types of spaceships, aliens are likely from many different species and societies.  He had a response for that too, "If they are smart and have good technology they of course should hide who they are by making it look to us like they're from different places.  As an Economist, we always look for the rational expectation answer."  

Dr. Glascock says there is no point to give away information.  He then gives the example of playing in the stock market, "If I'm trading in the marketplace, remember the good traders, long-term management capital, they were trading like ten different trades, one of them's real, the nine were shadow trades to keep the observers from knowing what the real trades were.  So if these people are this smart... it is not to their benefit to look the same every time."

That makes sense.  I do not agree it applies to every sighting but it makes me think of playing cards.  If you know you have a "tell" or a habit which alerts your opponents to the quality of the hand you hold, you may either cover up that tell or you may intentionally use it to indicate the opposite of what is in your hand.

This one time, I was in Atlantic City with my friend I have referred to in other blog posts as "G-man."  We were up all night.  Normally, I am fighting the Zzz Monster at 10:00pm so I do not know how I did this but we were still playing cards in the wee hours of the morning.  

I told G-man it was my last hand when I started falling asleep at the table.  I had to be woken up more than once when it was my turn.  Other players were getting angry.  But they ignored me and built up the pot, betting against each other.  I turned over my hand and won over $800.  I was done.  Time for bed.  But while I was raking in all my chips the dealer dealt me in another hand.  Since I had money to play with, I rolled with it.  The angry mob at the table counted me out because they figured the guy who was falling asleep just got lucky.  Being sleepy was my tell that night.  I played it.  I intentionally looked sleepy and disoriented in this next hand, even though I was now wide awake.  I called every raise between two other players who were duking it out with each other, barely noticing me.  Why not?  I won another $500.

Poker is all about bluffing your opponents.  I was not intentionally trying to look like I was falling asleep, at first.  I was really falling asleep.  I am a morning person, not a night owl.  But I sure had them all fooled that night.  It happened that I was dealt two good hands in a row.  But if I had really been trying hard to win those hands my opponents would likely have known I had good cards and they would have folded and I would not have won so much.  

Aliens have probably been down that road a few times.  (Maybe I should write an article titled, Do Aliens Play Poker?)  Dr. Glascock seems to think so, or some variation of it.  He says what aliens should do is, "They should have different kinds of ships, they should have different attributes, they should look like they came from different time periods..."

OK, let us have that conversation.  I said, back in Colonial Days, if you were a Native American in Massachusetts, you may have only known of the English.  Meanwhile, there were French, Spanish, and Dutch traders landing in other parts of the continent, each staking out their own claims.  If that same Indian stood on the shores of Cape Cod and saw a multi-masted sailing ship drop anchor in the harbor and unload men on horses it would be the most amazing thing he had ever seen.  His friends would have had difficulty believing him.  Debunkers would ask, "Are you sure it was a boat?  Could it have been a whale?  Maybe it was a Flock of Seagulls."  The Indian would say, "I know what I saw!"

At any rate, all these different nations were sailing here to The Americas, independent of each other.  Their ships had many similarities but each was distinct and could be identified or differentiated by a trained observer.  Perhaps this Indian would know the difference, perhaps not.

Back on topic, I asked Dr. Glascock if he was saying that we Earthans will someday reach the point where we no longer need to trade with each other, let alone other planets.  In this question, we assume there are still separate countries rather than one world government.  The response is, "We will probably want to trade so that we don't kill each other."

I agree.  This is the reason the European Union (originally the European Economic Community) was formed.  After two world wars in half a century the people of Europe decided the best way to avoid a third world war was to become so interdependent they would be forced to get along.  They did this through free trade, the same way the American states did amongst ourselves.  It would be unthinkable for New York to attack its tiny neighbor Vermont even though New York would kick Vermont's butt.  Yeah, take that, Vermont!  Maybe the same could not be said of every state.  I have met some guys from Texas who would love to take out Oklahoma.  But overall, free trade between the states has perhaps been the greatest uniting factor of the states.

Dr. Glascock says, "When you trade with people, you know people.  You are less likely to go to war."  He concludes that, "That kind of trade may be necessary in order to keep the society from breaking apart."  Then John cites Asimov's Trilogy.  

Back to commodities he believes we are close to being able to produce anything we want, like our alien visitors probably already can do.  We are beginning to crack the code of how to make gold or diamonds or even potatoes.  Money has to be something that is in limited supply.  If I had a machine that could make gold our whole system of valuating material items would be turned upside-down.  There would be no shortages of goods, "If we can get to that point..." John says.

What bothers him is we, as a society, may decide that this technology is something that should only benefit the wealthy or some other privileged few.  "That's a political issue, though, not a technological constraint," he says.  As an example of how this future may play out, Dr. Glascock says in Singapore everyone in the country has high-speed Internet for about $15 per month.  Think about what you pay for Internet and what quality you receive, now.  Our connection at my house goes down all the time, despite paying a fortune for the fastest service offered.  The reason, John says, is because America places a higher value on enriching corporate shareholders than on providing value to our citizens.  He says that aliens have probably gotten past that systemic hurdle.

Video - Why Aliens may or may not Trade
And how Humanity may mirror This

Interplanetary Trade

What if people on Planet X are green and people on Planet Y are blue and they do not like each other because of that?  Perhaps they feel the need to trade in order to get along with each other, like Europe did after World War II, I supposed to Dr. Glascock.  He agreed that may happen, "Either we're going to kill each other off or we're gonna solve that problem."  

Here is where Dr. Glascock gets to the most important take-away from the conversation, "As you go through technology over time there's gonna be a couple of bottlenecks I'm gonna call them, that are gonna require us to catch - we have to cooperate trade intellectually, scientifically, and quit competing in order to make that leap.  If we don't, the bottleneck's gonna kill us.  And I think, ever who gets to the point they can travel at the speed of light - my own view is they had to go through these and we know they got through them because they can travel at the speed of light.  Think about the intellectual ability it takes.  It's gonna take a lot of time for a lot of people to work on this puzzle to crack it.  And if we're fighting war all the time we can't be cracking that puzzle."

This was not where I had anticipated the conversation to stray but after reviewing the recording I found it to be mind-expanding to contemplate this concept.  Science fiction typically envisions people from other planets to be one people, united.  Yet here on Earth, we are many peoples.  Most people value our diversity within the United States.  Still, there is a deep vain of ethnocentricity here.  That feeling is compounded in other countries.  Worldwide, most nations want to be Number One, most ethnic groups as well.  At some point we will all need to unite if we are to solve our greatest challenges.  It seems right now our greatest challenge is getting to the point where we can begin to address those greater challenges.

Still, notwithstanding this new revelation in my pocket, I was not satisfied with the outcome of the conversation because John did not address my burning question of, how do we trade with aliens?  What currency would we use?  I threw another supposition at him.  What if people on Planet Z were only a couple hundred years ahead of us but they somehow acquired FTL technology.  Maybe they bought it or they reverse engineered a crashed spaceship, whatever.  Since they are only a couple hundred years ahead of us that would be a civilization that might want to trade with us, right John?

No, Dr. Glascock says, "They might want to wipe us out and conquer - take the Earth.  That's more like England going to India or China back in 'The First Globalization' where they exploited India and exploited China.  I think at that level they won't see us worth talking to they'll see us worth being exploited."

I was still not satisfied.  "Maybe they think that even though we're more primitive than they are, we're armed to the teeth and it would be a blood bath so they wanna figure out another way, they wanna trade."  Or maybe they are not more advanced than us.  There was an old SNL skit (I wish I could find a link to it) where aliens come to Earth and are talking about their technology which includes covered wagons.  It does not take long for the people of Earth to figure out the aliens found the spaceship and are actually over one hundred years behind us, technologically.

John was not biting, "It's all based on my premise.  If you could travel at faster than the speed of light, if you could bend space, we have no weapon that can harm them.  I mean, they can wipe us out so fast there would not be a war there'd just be a second and we'd be gone."  John has already discussed this issue with other intellectuals over beers.  He and his peers suspect that the folks who actually developed that technology would not allow this to happen.  If Planet Z were aggressive, why would Planet X allow them to grow with this more advanced technology?  

Video - Why Aliens would never share their Technology

I have suggested the same concept about life on Earth when people have asked if the spaceship I saw could have been some advanced prototype our military was testing.  I counter this with the fact that my sighting was three decades ago.  If we had the abilities that ship had, 28 years ago, we would have used it on the battlefield by now.  There would probably no longer be any American adversaries - maybe not even any independent countries.  The same could be said if most other nations possessed that technology.

Two years ago I wrote a series of articles related to this.  In Are we too Violent for Aliens and Snakes in a Box, I posit that humans are a violent, aggressive species.  Nearly every one of the 200-some countries has a military and most have used their militaries.  Why would any planet with FTL technology make contact with us?  If they did we would certainly ask them to share that technology with us.  Disagree?  If you have kids, put a box of cookies in a cabinet and tell the kids not to eat any.  I do not know how long it will take your kids to get into the cookies but they will.  If they do not sneak them one-by-one they will pester you ad nauseum until you give in.

Aliens know that one.  They know all the tricks.  In Why Don't Aliens Contact Us, I spelled it out clearly.  Aliens do not contact us because they know it is a trap.  We will acquire their technology one way or another and then turn it against them.  It has no doubt happened to them before - or maybe they were the ones who did it to someone else.  They will not allow it to happen again.

This then begs a bigger question, though.  If aliens do not want us to acquire the technology to wipe them out to the extent that they will observe us but refuse to contact us, would they take it a step further?  Would they actively work to stymie our efforts to advance?  Will they let us get a step ahead and then push us two steps back?  How would they do this?  Would they sabotage a company or University with a computer virus?  Would they sabotage humanity with a biological virus?  Would they sabotage our democracy with a human virus (insert politician of your choice)?

Perhaps we are indeed living in a version of  The Truman Show as I wrote in my article The Earth Show.  Our lives are scripted - not what we do on a day-to-day basis, but on a greater scale.  When we make the right choices, everything proceeds as planned.  When we do not, the show's Director makes it rain or introduces a new character to steer us back on course.

David Marceau Interviewing
Me Interviewing

I posit to John that a spaceship could crash and we could reverse engineer it.  Or someone else on Planet Z could do that.  Dr. Glascock says if that did occur, the more advanced society would simply wipe out the more primitive one before they had a chance to use that technology against them.

John wrapped up with a statement that some on #UFOTwitter will enjoy.  There is a subgroup, I will call it, that believes a conspiracy theory related to "the Military-Industrial Complex."  Some people believe that aliens could share with us the knowledge which will allow humanity to acquire energy for free.  This would then put all the energy companies out of business.  That is why the government will not disclose its knowledge of aliens because the Military Industrial Complex does not want to go out of business.

I do not subscribe to that point of view and Dr. Glascock reaffirms this.  As an economist he says aliens would never share that knowledge with the Earth's governments in the first place because then they would lose their competitive advantage over us.  But, he says, we may be on our way to reaching true energy independence on our own.  

Dr Glascock
Dr. Glascock saying, "You can quote me"

Before he decided to become an economist John was thinking of being a physicist.  That is why he knows so much about warping space and how aliens could possibly get from there to here, wherever there is.  He reads 8-10 books on physics every year in addition to all his science fiction and economics reading.  I wish I had the time he has.  Maybe I need to delete my Facebook account.  FB is a huge waste of time.

Dr. Glascock says, according to the books he reads and the conversations he has with other brilliant minds, Earth will achieve true energy independence within the next hundred years - much sooner if there is a coordinated effort similar to The Manhattan Project - then we could do it within 25 years.  There may be people or companies lobbying against this but there are plenty of scientists working on cracking it.  This is a problem Man will work out without the intervention of a smarter alien society.

Video - Dr. Glascock on Free Energy

The Marceau Paradox

My conversation with Dr. Glascock led me to several new conclusions.  

  • As much as I would like to think about it, and contrary to what many science fiction shows and movies would lead us to believe, aliens may not want to ever trade with us.  Therefore there may be no common currency we could use to buy or sell anything with aliens.  
  • Despite the thousands of eye-witness accounts of UFO sightings, aliens may never make official Contact with us.  We have nothing to offer them other than as subjects of observation and they do not want to mess up their science experiment (us) by intervening in our lives.
  • Although Lue Elizondo, Harry Reid, and others have confirmed the US government knows more about aliens than it admits, they probably do not possess alien technology that would lead us to energy independence - the aliens who developed this tech would not permit it.
  • It is possible that if we get too close to FTL, energy independence, or the ability to convert matter into any commodity, aliens may intervene to set us back so that we do not try to conquer or control them.  They would do this in a way we would not be able to detect so they do not piss us off and cause us to retaliate.
In developing The Marceau Paradox I have refuted some elements of The Fermi Paradox while adopting others.  My best reason for Why do they not make contact is a variation on The Zoo Hypothesis which I call The Earth Show Hypothesis, based on the movie The Truman Show.  Aliens will never make contact with us because it is more beneficial to them to observe us, however, it is a controlled experiment.  From time to time they may intervene in order to prevent us from harming them.

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Friday, October 9, 2020

What does Lue Elizondo Know?

Luis Elizondo possesses more knowledge regarding UFOs than nearly any other person on Earth.  He worked in the Pentagon heading its UFO investigation program AATIP prior to joining the private sector.  He knows about government investigations into UFOs.  He knows about Disclosure.  However, I believe having spoken with Lue many times that people tend to think he knows more than he does on a variety of tangential subjects.  

Yes, he was privy to extensive amounts of Classified information, enough he says to convince any skeptic we are indeed being visited.  But there are many other subjects related to UFO investigations which he is assumed to know about which he is simply out of the loop on.  This includes most conspiracy theories about aliens and UFOs and their purported connection to government.

We began this most recent conversation talking about how much things had changed since we last met.  When Lue came to my house to interview me for Unidentified on the History Channel that was less than a week before we went into complete lockdown due to the Coronavirus pandemic.  He told me my interview was the last one he was able to do with a full camera crew.

What does Lue Elizondo Know?
What does Lue Elizondo Know?

After Lue interviewed me in February, A&E Networks was not able to put anyone on a plane and send them on location to finish Unidentified.  Lue was given some equipment which he had no experience with and told to do the work himself.  He was apologetic about the "poor camera work and sound engineering" quality of the last few episodes.  I had not noticed but joked with him that I would go back and re-watch the series so I could scrutinize it.

Since then, the news media has been consumed with everything Coronavirus, on top of everything that is going on politically and economically.  Regarding Unidentified and other news about UFOs, Lue said, "In any other time had this information come out we would probably be seeing a tsunami of people who are interested... maybe even Congressional hearings."

This article is Part II of a video conference interview I had with Lue on October 1, 2020.  The first article focused on who is Lue Elizondo, as a person.  This article will detail some of what Lue knows, some breadcrumbs he dropped during the course of this and other discussions and some conclusions I drew from that data.  I will go over:

  • Is Lue Elizondo an Agent of Disclosure?
  • Why does the Government keep secrets about UFOs?
  • When will Disclosure Happen?

I wrap up the Disclosure section at the end with some conclusions based on this and other conversations I have had with Lue.

Is Lue Elizondo an Agent of Disclosure?

There are a small number of people on social media who believe Lue is still working for the US government.  Some believe he was put out there as an "agent of Disclosure" to ease the public into a big announcement confirming that aliens exist.  The rest seem to think he is tasked with spreading disinformation, for some reason.  

Lue casually defended himself without seeming defensive about it.  "You're entitled to your opinion," he replied.  "Hopefully you have an open enough of a mind to look at the facts and data and see what we've done over the past three years."  This is logic people on #UFOTwitter have expressed, as well.  I am a good example.  I was able to get the story of my UFO sighting out to those who can do something with it after having sat on this information for nearly three decades.  My experience is contrary to the notion that Lue would be in the business of spreading disinformation.  So if I seem a little biased it is with good cause.  But I am one person with one story.  I will let Lue tell his own story.

"I'm not asking for credit for this," he goes on to say.  "Look at this and rather than reflexively saying, 'Oh, this is a Government Op,' well, what does that even mean?  You haven't even worked for the government.  How do you know what a Government Op looks like?"  

"We don't do these things to our own people."  Lue acknowledged that at one time many years ago the US government did some terrible things to its own citizens.  The Tuskegee Airmen is a prime example.  When these stories came to light things changed.  Laws were passed to prevent that.  He is not aware of anything like that today.  "If I were to do that I would have been fired and put into jail, lost my badge, lost my Security Clearance."  This does not convince some people.  Lue shrugs it off, "People are ultimately entitled to believe what they want to believe."

Lue Elizondo on Government Ops

There may always be a category of people who will never believe Lue.  He does not concern himself with that group.  "These are individuals that have their own minds made up," he says.  "They have come to some preconceived conclusion, some narrative that they feel comfortable with and nothing is gonna dissuade them."  Instead, Lue will, "Continue to do my job: Collect the truth and speak the truth, that's it."

The job Lue does now for TTSA is not much different from what he did while working in the Pentagon.  He collects information and presents it, "in a consumable manner," for the American People to process and draw their own conclusions.

While explaining this, Lue falls back into some old personal history.  He begins a narration with a projection of the UFO Community ("#UFOTwitter") as the "jury" which judges his presentations.  In mid-sentence this morphs into that jury being his former colleagues in the government, "At the end of the day I don't care what it means to them.  It's their decision.  If they want it to be a national security priority, 'You know what, this is interesting but, yeah, not worth spending tax-payer dollars on,' fine.  I'm fine with either decision, but at least let them have that conversation and the decision.  Don't squelch the conversation because you don't like where it's going.  

"And that's my biggest concern and probably my biggest challenge I had when I was in the government is that some people didn't even want to have the conversation.  That to me, I think it's disingenuous.  I don't think we have the best interest of the American People when we do that.  When we hide the truth inevitably the truth is gonna come out either way."

Why does the Government keep secrets about UFOs?

One of the criticisms often levied against Lue and others whom #UFOTwitter considers to be in a position of authority is there is too much secrecy.  Responses to simple questions are enigmatic.  These authorities stand above the peasants obfuscating their data - they say much and reveal little.  People simply want to know do we have evidence of alien visitations?  For example, do we or do we not have crashed spaceship materials?  If so, why not have a transparent public examination of these materials?

From the conversations I have had with Lue it seems like if it were up to him he would dump most if not everything he knows onto the public.  The reason he cannot explicitly declare everything he knows is because he is bound by the covenants of his Secret Clearance.  He colloquially calls it an "NDA" or Non-Disclosure Agreement because that is the vernacular most private citizens are familiar with.  In actuality it is the SF86 form he was required to sign while in the service of the government which gives very specific limits on what information you can and cannot share with the public.  

Lue can never talk about information declared Classified until that designation expires.  That expiration date is up to the government, not him.  Sometimes it is twenty-five years, sometimes seventy-five.  It is out of Lue's hands.  Even though he is no longer working for the US government he is still bound by federal law to abide by the secrecy terms of that contract.  The consequence of breaking that contract could mean prison time.  He has a family to consider.  Prison or exile à la Edward Snowden are not options.

Lue has been forthcoming in this interview.  That includes the admission that there is a level of deliberate secrecy on the UFO Phenomenon in the government.  His explanation again is National Security, however, he provides further details - he lifts the covers on this blanket reason.  Our government does not want to acknowledge what it knows because that would give American adversaries the impetus to "build against it."  If we had a game-changing technology in our hands, like a crashed UFO, other countries would attempt to replicate it, just like they did after the development of the nuclear bomb.  This, to me, implicitly declares we do indeed have something.  But he did not say that and would not be able to say what it was, if asked.  

This is a segue into Lue's then upcoming blog post about the time Soviet Russia shot down a U2 spy plane.  "It wasn't until the Russians were able to shoot down, successfully, a U2 spy plane did they admit to their own people, 'Hey, the Americans are flying a reconnaissance aircraft over our country.'"  The implication is that perhaps there are some people in the US government who know UFOs are observing us but for national security reasons the information is being withheld - the detailed reason being that they do not know what to do about it.  

Lue Elizondo on Keeping Secrets

In the case of the U2, "They didn't have a solution.  Why do you tell your people you have a problem and that you don't have a solution.  That's a bad thing."  Lue disagrees with this approach though, "The problem is, the longer you sit on that secret, it has a perishable shelf-life - the longer it becomes a liability, because at some point when the truth does come out people are gonna look back and now that secret that you used to protect yourself is now being used as a weapon against you."  He wraps up with glints of hope for those yearning for Disclosure, "Keeping secrets from your own people can only last for so long before the advantages start getting outweighed by those disadvantages of keeping something secret."

If the government does have a crashed UFO or some materials alien to our planet, as many in the UFO Community assert, perhaps those who are studying it do not understand it.  They do not want to admit there is a problem without a solution.  Or they do not want to admit the solution is too complex to implement.  "Governments are paid to have answers.  Governments are paid to protect their people and ensure national sovereignty."  These metaphors provoke further tacit implications.

Lue Elizondo on Secrecy

Who is driving the Disclosure Process?

Some #UFOTwitter folks question the National Security "excuse".  Conspiracy theories say that we, here on Earth, are not the ones driving this UFO Disclosure process.  Most others would say that notion is absurd.  Lue took the question seriously.  He said before the interview began that no question was off limits.  Apparently, he had already put some thought into this one.

Lue likened the belief that humans are not in control of Disclosure to forces beyond our control which influence us, like the weather.  "Is it possible there's something out there that is influencing us?  Well we know the environment sure as hell does.  It's not purposely trying to hurt us or influence us but it does."  

Could there be other forces out there trying to interfere with us?  "Sure, but you have to have the evidence to back that up."  He says you need data to support the hypothesis, otherwise it is just a belief.  To be clear and to dispel any new conspiracy theories before they start, he does not seem to be aware of any data which would confirm this hypothesis.  "It doesn't mean you're wrong, you could still be right.  Lots of people take an educated guess on something and wind up being right.  I'm not criticizing them.  I'm just saying be very careful when someone states something as a fact when indeed it's not really a fact; maybe it's a belief, 'I think,' right?  Versus, 'I know.'"

Lue does have some "I thinks" in addition to the "I knows."  A few of his beliefs may have been changed after he read the book Chains of the Sea.  He has mentioned this to the public before.  Lue says, we may be asking the wrong question.  The question is not, where are UFOs from?  Lue emphasizes that our concept of who or what is visiting us should not be thought of as either human or alien.  It is not a black and white issue.  There may be a third or even fourth option.  He does not say what those options are but the book talks about AI and "Others".  He is ambivalent towards concepts expressed in the book.  He draws no explicit connections between the book and real life.  He simply states that his mind, his way of thinking, was expanded by reading this short story. 

Lue Elizondo on Chains of the Sea

When will Disclosure Happen?

The times, they are a changing.  I recapped Season I of Unidentified with Lue, how no one used the term "UFO".  They said "UAP" which means the same thing but is the preferred nomenclature in Government.  It is an attempt to remain distanced from people in tin-foil hats and discussions of little green men.  There was some mystery as to what the "Tic Tac" and other spaceships were, on the show.  They continuously asked, did a foreign government leap-frog us?  I intended to challenge that and perhaps change it with my interview in Season II.  I came right out and said that what I saw was indeed, "an alien spaceship."  Then, watching Season II, I heard Lue use the term "UFO" for the first time.  There was less mystery throughout this season.  What changed?

Lue said, "We're beginning to see a shift in the openness of people to have the conversation."  People in Congress and the highest levels of government are starting to talk about this.  Some Congressmen have even privately shared their own personal UFO stories with Lue.  "We've helped destigmatize the conversation... 'We' collectively, all of us, even the 'UFO Twitterverse' that's out there."  

There are now regular classified briefings by the new UAP Task Force.  They are viewing real hi-fidelity data that they can look at, classified data, "not just 'fuzzy images' that people see on a video.  Really, real good data on this."  He credits sighting witnesses who have come forward with their stories rather than himself or TTSA.

In addition, there are many of what I will call "Lone Wolf" reporters trying to bring forth whatever information they can uncover.  Lue gives them much credit and says, "There are serious people now finally taking this topic seriously."


How does one usher in Disclosure when bound by Non-Disclosure.  It happens slowly.  The door to a vault does not swing with ease.  It is pulled with great effort.  When it is first cracked open not much can be seen inside the vault.  The more time that passes the more the contents are revealed.  When that effort stops the door stops and nothing more is available.  Lue is pulling on that door with all his might.  We have seen the results of his (and others') efforts since 2017.

In addition to what Lue has explicitly shared by way of helping people like me get our stories out to the public, there are breadcrumbs being spread for the public to draw their own conclusions thereby revealing what Lue is unable to say.  It just takes some astute people to collect, analyze, and interpret the data and extrapolate the correlations.  

For example, if Lue knew the government was in possession of a crashed UFO, due to his NDA he would not be able to report that.  If he wanted the public to know about it he would have to introduce the topic in some other way, say by urging his current employer to acquire their own metamaterials suspected to have come from a crashed UFO.  

This would then imply that perhaps there are more crashed UFO materials out there somewhere in a government facility.  Then it would be up to the American People to draw these conclusions and submit specific FOIA requests for more information.  Of course, this is just an educated guess like Lue stated above.  He never told me the government has a crashed UFO.  

But this is how we need to view the pictures Lue paints in broad strokes.  The common criticism of him saying much and revealing little is valid but perhaps we need to listen more closely.  He is not showing us what we want to see, he is not able to, but he is tacitly pointing out what should be in plain sight.  Picture two kids playing Hide-and-seek.  You know where one is hiding.  The other one, the Finder, comes and asks where he is.  You cannot come out and say, "He's next to the wardrobe."  But you can point in the direction of the wardrobe and wink your eye.  From there it is up to the Finder to figure it out.

Lue said he will collect information and present it, "in a consumable manner," for the American People to process and draw their own conclusions.  He has done that.  Now we need to start drawing those conclusions and asking each other the right questions based on those results.

Lue's U2 story obviously correlates to current times.  I asked Lue, "What's our U2 Moment?"  He does not refer to a specific incident in the past or future.  Instead, he comes back to the notion that a small handful of people believe he is not genuine and ties it in to the times we are living in right at this moment.  Regardless of people's beliefs about him he says cheekily, "You're getting what you wanted anyways, right?  You wanted Disclosure, here you go.  And you wanted your government to take this seriously, here you go.   You wanted people to come forward and the media to talk about it.  Here you go.  OK.  Happy birthday!"

#UFOTwitter has been waiting for an official announcement about Disclosure.  The Disclosure process may indeed be happening right now.  It seems to have begun when Lue resigned from the government.  It will not conclude fast enough for many people.  Even once the vault door is completely open there will be smaller boxes within the vault which can only be unlocked using two keys, one from the owner of the vault, the US government, and one from the owner of the box's contents, many many individuals.  Lue and others are coaxing those individuals to reveal what they know, to unlock their safe-deposit boxes.  I am a prime example.

Disclosure is Happening

Lue feels confident this will continue to happen.  "I think [Disclosure is] happening.  I think you're already seeing me having the ability to have a discussion that just even a year ago I couldn't have."  Little by little he is able to reveal more of what he knows.  "It's happening now.  Again, this is a process, it's not an event.  People have to understand you have to have patience.  We only made it this far because we're running a marathon.  This isn't a sprint."

What happens next?  "I think there's a lot more to come," Lue told me.  "In fact I know there's a lot more to come."

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Wednesday, October 7, 2020

Who is Lue Elizondo?

Luis Elizondo is the host of History Channel's Unidentified.  Prior to that he investigated UFO reports for the Department of Defense as featured in the now legendary New York Times UFO article.  Within the UFO Community, or #UFOTwitter, Lue is perhaps the greatest force in Disclosure, #UFOTwitter's effort to push the US Government to admit and reveal its knowledge of UFOs.

I first reached out to Lue after reading that New York Times article.  Eventually, he brought my own UFO story to the public with an appearance on Unidentified.  Shortly afterwards, he texted me on a Saturday night to tell me he and his wife were watching and enjoying the episode I appeared in.  He asked me how my blog was doing.  I told him I would love to interview him for it, "Not the typical interview where the interviewer tries to pry secret info about UFOs from you.  More on a personal level - who is Lue Elizondo?"

Lue wrote back, "Sure thing!"  We had planned to do this the following week but then Hurricane Isaias knocked out power and Internet to my house for over a week.  It would take us about another two months to coordinate our schedules.

Who is Lue Elizondo?
Lue Elizondo October 1, 2020

We spoke on October first of 2020, the latest in many conversations we have had both on the phone and in person.  I was in my home office in Ridgefield, Connecticut.  Lue called in from his camper, "The Château de Lue," as he calls it, somewhere in Wyoming.  He is there with his wife and their dogs, scoping out some land.  Here in the New York City area houses are snapped up by City People upon market listing without negotiation.  It is an effort to outrun the pandemic.  Lue may have similar motivations, though officially he is outrunning the Tax Man.  Taxes are lower in Wyoming and the people are friendly, he says.

Lue and I kibitzed momentarily prior to staging my official introduction for YouTube.  With respect, I told Lue it was OK if there were questions he did not want to answer.  He ponged back declaring no questions were off the table, security issues notwithstanding.  He joked it would be acceptable to ask his favorite color.  I laughed; a follower had suggested that in jest on Twitter.  For the record, it is black - no surprise to anyone who has seen Lue on TV.

My introduction began with heaps of praise.  I would not be writing this article right now if Lue had not left government service and went to the New York Times with his assertion that people in the US government know UFOs are real.  He deserves great credit for bringing people like me out of seclusion and giving us a platform with which to share our experiences with the world.  Lue brushed my accolades aside and spent the next two minutes praising me for coming forward with my story.  I appreciated the affirmation.

True to my word, the focus of the interview was:

  • Who is Lue Elizondo?
  • What does Lue Elizondo Like to do?
  • What does Lue Elizondo think?

However, when a UFO blogger and the de facto spokesman for the UFO Community get together on Zoom for an hour and a half, a myriad of subjects will come up, including UFOs.  #UFOTwitter wants to know not just what is Lue's favorite color but when will Disclosure happen?  Lue's revelations will be published in the follow-up to this article, What does Lue Elizondo Know?  For now, I am happy to present:

Who is Lue Elizondo?

"Look in the mirror.  I'm you," Lue said.  He wants to be viewed like the rest of the world.  If Lue were placed on a pedestal he would step down and help someone else up.  He is nothing special, so he would say.

There is much that people read into him, who he is, what he is all about.  He presents himself as a regular guy, a husband, a dad.  Like most dads family is valued above all else.  He wants to feed and provide for them, pay for his mortgage, "My children are fundamentally my greatest accomplishment of my life, ever!  I will never be able to achieve something that great ever again so for me everything else is frosting on the cake."

Lue has one job: to look over his two daughters, "It's not me, it's," he hesitates for such a brief moment it is nearly imperceptible but just long enough to reveal some emotion.  "It's my family."  He holds a staturous position in the UFO Community, requiring constant vigilance, "There's been some people in the press who've actually went after my kids to try to get information about me."  The apprehension in Lue's voice and body language is palpable.  

Here, Lue is haunted by past experiences, efforts stymied by political or religious beliefs of those in power.  "A lot of people, you know, let's face it, this rubs up against their philosophical and theological belief system sometimes.  And people can be cruel sometimes."  Looking out for his family occupies a permanent position at Lue Inc.

The family reciprocates.  "It's a conversation we had when I came out.  We had a very serious conversation around the table and I told them what I was going to do and that I was resigning from my post in the Department of Defense and I wanted this to be a mutual decision by the family."  Everyone was supportive.  "My daughters were amazing.  They looked me straight in the eye after hearing a half an hour speech, all teary-eyed, leaving the one thing that I loved so much and they said, 'Dad, we're proud of you, we got your back, don't worry about it.'"

Lue Elizondo on Family

Lue is the proud son of a Cuban refugee.  His father fled to Miami seeking safety and security after fighting in The Bay of Pigs.  Lue is native to the US.  He titles himself an "Exile Kid," a status he says would lead him to face a firing squad if he returned to Cuba.  This may be friendly hyperbole.  

The words and deeds of the Refugee Dad left their mark on the Exile Kid as he matured.  "My dad came to this country with a dime, literally a dime in his pocket."  Dad would say, "Nothing in life is free, son, you have to work for everything but do not take from anybody."  Those have since been guiding principles, ones the son passes on to his own progeny.

When Lue assumed his current role with To The Stars Academy the family followed, trailing him to San Diego.  It is a beautiful and interesting place inspiring a kinship with the pioneers who ventured out before him seeking a better life for themselves and their families.  California turns out to be an alien land to the Exile kid with frequent earthquakes and abominable fires sending smoke as far as his current location in Wyoming.  Sometimes pioneers flee their settlements, seeking safety and security.

Along with his girls, Lue also adores his two German Shepherds.  One, "Doesn't have a predatory bone in his body."  The other - Lue advises, "Don't come around the Elizondos' late at night, uninvited."

TV show hosts may earn a respectable salary, though most are not driving Rolls-Royces.  Lue has probably done well as the host of Unidentified.  He tempers this with, "If you're looking to get rich, most people will tell you chasing UFOs is not a way to do it.  So I've never expected to make really any money off of it."

Lue does not wear his net worth and cannot be judged on appearance.  He is proud of his Blue Collar roots and prefers to maintain that image and lifestyle rather than transitioning into "Mr. Hollywood."  When he joined the Army after college he worked two other jobs to make ends meet, while serving full-time.  His wife worked too.  "I'm not afraid to have dirt under my nails," he says.

I am Lue

No kid has ever said, "When I grow up I want to be that weird UFO Guy."  Lue agrees, there is an injurious stigma to his line of work.  He accepts this.  It is what he signed on for.  But he is deeper than the two-dimensional view of him on a TV screen.  That person is the same guy camping out with his wife and their dogs in Wyoming right now.  If one hates the guy on TV they will hate the guy in the camper.  If someone thinks, "'Hey, this kind of quirky guy with the funny goatee on TV, I think I kind of like him,' You're probably going to like having a beer with him."

What does Lue Elizondo like to Do?

Lue is "a cheapskate," his own self-deprecating moniker of frugality.  He downplays his purchase of his latest toy, the camper he and his wife are staying in.  It is a mid-range model, "The Chevy Malibu," of campers, he says.  He pulls it with a humble 1996 Ford F-350 pickup.  

Other toys are investments as it were, picked up cheap.  He gives them TLC, some attention and elbow grease, and they appreciate.  He enjoys his status as, "a gearhead."  A self-diagnosed introvert, Lue is content in the garage, "tinkering".  He builds cars, boats, and motorcycles.  "If it's got an engine, that's right up my alley."  He has a Korean War era Jeep, a World War II Jeep, and a Ural, a 2-wheel drive Russian Military motorcycle with a powered sidecar.  It is pictured in Season 2, Episode 7 of Unidentified.

The days of racing around on fast bikes are over for Lue.  At his age speed has lost its appeal.  The Ural takes him from Point A to Point B in a "safe and civilized manner."  He compares it more to driving a John Deere tractor than a racing machine.  Although, it is still a motorcycle.  He has fun on it.

What does Lue Elizondo like to do?
Lue's bike in Unidentified S2 E7

Given a relaxing scenario of having a drink with a friend, Lue brightens up.  He enjoys a nice peaty Islay Scotch.  "It's got that pungent smell of where you almost feel like you're eating a piece of Scotland, like a Scottish Sandwich, or something."  Lately he has developed a taste for Absinthe.  He stresses, the legal kind.  There is meaning in the history behind it and how it is distilled.  "I'm kind of a traditionalist."  Lue appreciates the human effort, the, "Love, caring, pride, into the work by someone," to create something, "Rather than just something generic, that is mass produced.  To me, someone who paints me a hand-made painting means more to me than someone spending ten times that amount on some sort of generic print that I can go to the mall and buy."

Once the drinks are poured it is time to eat.  "I love cooking.  I am absolutely a cook.  I admit it."  With his military service in the past, today Lue would rather eat a tasty meal than stay in shape.  "I'm not a big baker but I love using my cast iron almost exclusively.  I take pride in seasoning it and getting that thing, you know, perfect and just cooking a fabulous meal for others to enjoy.  It goes back to what we were saying about drinks, it's really the craftsmanship that I appreciate."

The same goes for wrist watches.  The brand is not important, "It has to do with the amount of human effort it took to create that time piece.  Crafting every gear and knowing that the gear ratios have to be just perfect... it has to be balanced and it has to be synchronized.  That's what I appreciate.  That's why I like cars.  It's poetry in motion to me.  It's taking something that has been thrown away and considered garbage and spending a little bit of time, a little bit of effort and attention to now bringing new life into it."  There is a recurring theme, "I do the same thing with cooking and pretty much other things that I enjoy."

Dinner at Chez Lue might include, "A fantastic little recipe," for seafood with, "White wine, lemon, butter."  He kisses his fingertips and says, "Bellissimo!"  The next course may be Italian, possibly pizza from scratch.  "Pizzas are super simple if you do your own dough, your own homemade dough, homemade sauce..."  He uses fresh basil and "good quality cheese."

It would seem that every hobby is a labor of love with Lue.  He does have one simplistic guilty pleasure: playing video games.  He owns both of the top game consoles and plays mostly first-person shooter games.  He is especially fond of games with a rich storyline.  There must also be an endless map he can explore.  He plays the entire Borderlands series, Fallout 4, and Portal 2.  Strategy and good graphics appeal to him.  His wife and daughters play too.  They are both partners and rivals.

Lue and family, gamers

Music plays a constant soundtrack in Lue's life.  "I love music!"  He may listen to Classical, Classic rock, Hard-core Industrial, Classic Country, Italian Café.  Favorite artist range a narrow contemporaneous band from 70's Easy-Listening legend, Gordon Lightfoot to 90's hard rockers, Rob Zombie and Marilyn Manson.  "Music tells a story and music is very emotional."  Playing now in the F-350's CD player: 90's Punk Rockers, Social Distortion.

Presumably then, Lue would have been thrilled when Pop Punk rocker Tom DeLonge reached out to him with an employment offer at his To The Stars Academy.  Apparently not - Lue had no clue who DeLonge was.  He knew some of DeLonge's music, Blink-182's hits are ubiquitous, but he was not a follower.

What does Lue Elizondo Think?

Lue values genuity.  Others may judge but lack self-judgement.  While conscious of this he says everyone has bias, including himself.  He loves the spirit of human beings, the positive not the negative.  As a new user of social media he is astounded by what "normal people" post online, how strapping-in behind a keyboard empowers some to make statements about others whom they do not know personally, that they would never say face-to-face.  "Is that how they really are, or is that just something that is a part of their personality that comes alive when they get on social media?  I don't know."

Lue only recently began posting on Twitter, an unofficial induction into #UFOTwitter, "There are some people [in the UFO Community] that are really working hard to get to the bottom of this [UFO phenomenon] and they're using their brains and they're engaging and they're highly intelligent people.  I could tell you there's probably about five or six, when I was at AATIP, had I known they were out there and they had applied for a job, I would have hired them to come on to AATIP."

He dismisses accolades towards him and passes the credit to others.  He does not know if his approach to reporting information is the right way but, "There are a lot of people doing it wrong."  He was diplomatic about naming names.  "My mother always told me not to talk ill about people if they're not in front of me."  Generally, "Anybody who tries to give you a preconceived narrative, or worse tries to tell you not to listen to somebody else, that's your first sign that they don't know what they're talking about."  Lue believes, "Knowledge is power.  I think the more people you talk to, the better the situation.  If you want to talk to me and then turn around and talk to anybody else, I don't care; I think you should.  I think you should try to arm yourself with as much information as possible."

Yes, but who, Lue?  "Anybody who's gonna tell you that they know for what these things are, can conjure things up at will and charge money for it - anybody who's going to charge you money to have an encounter..." he hesitates, " with -- a -- UFO... and again, I'm just talking general here - I think you got to be careful with that."  

There are a few snake oil salesmen who will immediately come to mind to #UFOTwitter members.  "There are some charlatans.  There's people out there that have spent twenty years creating a cottage industry for themselves of lies and deception and now that the truth is coming out, they're scrambling.  It's all hands on deck, baby.  Full information campaign to try to squelch the truth because now, 'My narrative is in trouble.'  That's the problem.  You never should have had a narrative because you don't know.  There are no such things as experts in UFOs, not even in the US government, otherwise we'd all be flying in them right now."

In casual conversation Lue mentions his coworkers at To The Stars Academy using labels like, "my colleague Steve Justice," or "my buddy Tom [DeLonge]."  #UFOTwitter knows these people without introduction.  Some may call these men Lue's friends.

"'Friend' is an awfully big commitment," he joked, "I don't know if I have any friends."  He has a "profound" level of "comradery and respect" for his coworkers.  The starkly varied backgrounds of each individual in the organization is fodder for friendly and professional debate.  They may not share views on politics or religion but they respect one another.  They trust each other.  They can speak openly "without fear of reprisal," like Lue has faced in the past.

Yeah, but do you guys hang out after work?  Do you meet up for 50 cent wings and five dollar pitchers and watch Monday Night Football at the corner pub?  The crew's professional diversity leaves little common ground outside the subject of UFOs.  Lue explains that Tom DeLonge is a musician and spends much of his free time rehearsing.  In contrast, Lue prefers to work on an engine in his garage.  That notwithstanding, Lue has been to Tom's house many times.  Jim Semivan, Hal Putoff, Chris Mellon, all the TTSA gang are, "incredibly welcoming and warm."  They each have received Lue and his family at their homes as part of their family.

Bonus Content

When Lue was here to interview me at my place last February he picked up on an art piece that hangs in my office.  It is artist Tim Kelly's colored pencil sketch of the Grady Twins from The Shining depicted as aliens.  I bought it at the Pine Bush UFO Fair last year.  Lue asked confirmatively if I had only just recently gotten into the UFO scene.  I said yes, only since first engaging with him and the producers of Unidentified.  When I interviewed Lue last week I asked him the same thing.  "Was this always something that you followed and had a belief?"  He said no.  "Was there a turning point at which a lightbulb went on and you said, 'Woah!  There's something to this.'"

What does Lue Elizondo think?
The Grady Twins as Aliens

Lue never had the luxury to think about UFOs prior to becoming involved with the subject, "I was too busy catching and chasing bad guys.  It wasn't until I had my... initial meeting with the then director of the former [AATIP] program that I came to the understanding that they really mean that there are UFOs out there.  When he says 'UAP' they mean, 'UFOs, Unidentified Flying Objects,' and we're taking this topic very seriously, and at that point it was kind of a slow, gradual realization that we're dealing with something here that really, truly is not some sort of conventional technology.  We really don't know what they hell these are but they really are there.  I think that was kind of the epiphany for me which occurred in the 2008 timeframe."

I pressed further, "What was that one piece of information that pushed you over the edge?"

"Ooh," Lue shook his head.  "It wasn't one.  It was many.  I got to be careful what I say here but I can guarantee you that 99 percent of your audience right now, if they were to see a couple things that I was privy to..." he shakes his head vigorously from side to side, "There'd be no question in their mind what this is.  None!  Kind of like your experience, right?  You saw something and were like, 'Hey, I don't know what to tell you but that ain't ours.'"

At home, Lue tells his kids to make up their own minds about the UFO Phenomenon.  When they ask him a question he tries to give them a straight answer.  He arms them with information and then lets them decide what it means.

Somehow, over the course of the conversation we went down the Rabbit Hole and spent over half an hour talking about UFOs and what Lue knows about them.  That will be the subject of the companion article to this piece, What does Lue Elizondo know?  For this article I really wanted to focus on, Who is Lue Elizondo?

Through all of Lue's successes in moving the Disclosure needle to the right he remains humble about the part he has played.  Within the #UFOTwitter crowd Lue is a celebrity.  He shakes off the term but it sticks to him.  How does someone who spent his first career concertedly out of the public eye remain grounded with this new-found fame?  

"Look at yourself in the mirror every day, change your own oil to your car, mow your own lawn, go to a homeless shelter and help serve food.  That's how you keep yourself humble.  You remind yourself that I am no different than anybody else and I'm steps away from being in your shoes anytime, any day."

Lue credits any success he has achieved to the hard work of other "incredible people" who were smarter and more capable than he is.  "I Stand on the shoulders of giants.  I rode on the coat tails of great people.  That's how I got to where I am."

Some readers will be disappointed I did not pin Lue down on what he knows about government conspiracies, that I did not hold his feet to the fire on this or that.  

I had originally planned on leaving that sort of thing to folks like Danny Silva or "UFO Joe" Murgia or UFO Jesus.  That is their modus operandi and they are good at it.  But despite my intention to keep the conversation on Who is Lue Elizondo, he did drop a few pearls here and there - some may call them bombshells.  I will write this up in a follow up article which will go into, What does Lue Elizondo know?

For now, my intention was to show the world the guy I know, the guy who stood in my kitchen and compared notes with me on making pizza from scratch, the guy who stood on my porch and talked about his daughters and his concerns as a dad, the guy who stood in my garage and drooled over my motorcycle while showing me pics on his phone of his bike, the guy who sends me a random text on a Saturday night to tell me his wife liked my episode of Unidentified.  That is the Lue I know and the interview I wanted to do.

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